H1N1 - Are you getting anxious about the conflicting reports?

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  • Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:48 PM
    Message # 236944
    Claire (Administrator)

    There seems to be conflicting reports in the media on the H1N1 vaccine. The lack of consistency is actually making me more nervous than anything else. Which side do you trust?  Does anyone else feel like this may be a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't scenario?

    Here is a link from a doctor saying he will not vaccinate his children or himself, linking the vaccine to autism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&feature=related

    Here is a link from a news report saying the vaccine may be rushed and people who make vaccines are not taking the H1N1 vaccine.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    Check out Joanna's blog H1N1 What's your take?

    We want to hear from you... Have your read any other information or articles about the vaccine?  What's your take?

    If you did not already know, please see who should NOT take the vaccine. copied from York Region Website:

    Children under six months old

    People who have had a previous anaphylactic (severe allergic reaction) to any element of the vaccine, OR

    People with a hypersensitivity to eggs ( e.g. hives, swelling of mouth and/or throat, breathing difficulty); OR

    People experiencing a high fever, OR

    People who have previously experienced Guillan-Barré Syndrome within 8 weeks of receiving a seasonal flu vaccine


    Thanks,
    Claire

    Last modified: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:48 PM | Claire (Administrator)
  • Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:53 PM
    Reply # 236946 on 236944
    Claire (Administrator)

    This article has been emailed to me a few times, I don't know if it will prevent swine flu 100%, but it definately can't hurt.   Might as well give it a try in addition to what you are already doing or plan to do.

    Prevent Swine Flu
            
           
    Dr. Vinay Goyal is an MBBS,DRM,DNB (Intensivist and Thyroid specialist) having clinical experience of over 20 years. He has worked in institutions like Hinduja Hospital , Bombay Hospital , Saifee Hospital , Tata Memorial etc.. Presently, he is heading our Nuclear Medicine Department and Thyroid clinic at Riddhivinayak Cardiac and Critical Centre, Malad (W).
           

    The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is.
           
    While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):
           
     1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications).
           
     2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or slap).
           
     3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one.. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method.
           
    4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but *blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population..*
           

    5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.
                    
    6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can. *Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm.
            

    originally posted on :http://www.livewellamerica.org/

  • Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:25 PM
    Reply # 237424 on 236944
    Claire (Administrator)

    Reposting for Darmeen to correct forum:

    29-Oct-09 14:30
    Hi moms!

    I'm a new mom with a 7 month old baby boy. I am pretty confused about the new H1N1 vaccine for babies 6 month and older (2 half shots). I have been reading and watching a lot of news items about the vaccine and they all sound pretty scary to me. I heard that the vaccination clinics at York Region had a 4 hour line up yesterday which sounds awful for a baby and a mom to wait that long.

    Have you vaccinated your babies with the H1N1 shots yet?
    Are you going to vaccinate you babies?

    I would like to see the views of other moms on this.

    Cheers,
    Darmeen.
  • Friday, October 30, 2009 1:29 PM
    Reply # 237932 on 236944

    Hi everyone!

    I am also exteremly concerned about this subject, expecially because my son goes to the daycare.

    I have decided to do my our survey amongst my friends and already had some people comleted it. The survey is located at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VVHJTswHxqYRnM9O8WZ3mA_3d_3d

    Once I get enough responses I will share the reults here.

    Regards,

    Olga

     

  • Friday, October 30, 2009 3:55 PM
    Reply # 237998 on 237932
    Olga Khadieva wrote:

    Hi everyone!

    I am also exteremly concerned about this subject, expecially because my son goes to the daycare.

    I have decided to do my our survey amongst my friends and already had some people comleted it. The survey is located at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VVHJTswHxqYRnM9O8WZ3mA_3d_3d

    Once I get enough responses I will share the reults here.

    Regards,

    Olga

     


    Would sure to love to see the results. Thanks for sharing!
  • Monday, November 02, 2009 10:47 AM
    Reply # 238807 on 236944
    From Debbie (reposted from an e-mail sent to LWAB members):

    Hi Olga,

    I’m a Life with a baby member and Naturopathic doctor, the H1N1 is definitely the talk of the town right now.  In my clinic, we are recommending a comprehensive immune boosting strategy, including a Naturopathic flu shot for adults.  The controversy over the H1N1 vaccine is definitely confusing.  If you are interested, I would be happy to do a presentation of immune stimulating techniques and discuss the H1N1 vaccination as well.

     

    Your is health,

    Debbie

    Naturopathic Foundations

    33 The Bridle Trail, Unit 3
    Markham, Ontario
    L3R 4E7
    Tel: 905-940-2727
    Fax: 905-940-2721
    d.smrz@naturopathicfoundations


    Last modified: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:47 AM | Joanna
  • Monday, November 02, 2009 10:49 AM
    Reply # 238809 on 236944
    From Yana (reposted from e-mail sent to LWAB members):

    A friend of mine sent it to me.  She said that I can share this information.  Most people are worried about some ingedients that are in the vaccine.  Mostly Thiomersal and Squalene.  Here are her findings.
     
    See below for some of the research I pulled off of reputable websites and an attachment which goes into the clinical background of the H1N1 vaccine including the results of studies conducted and the ingredients.
     
    Thimerosal is an ingrediant used in the regular flu vaccine as well, and based on my own research i believe it's harsh to say that it causes "brain damage". 
     
    1.  Thiomersal is an organic mercurial compound that has been used for over 60 years as an antimicrobial agent in vaccines and other pharmaceutical products to prevent unwanted bacterial and fungal growth in the opened vaccine vial. It is also present in the childhood vaccines we give our children (DTP, MMR, HiB etc...)
     
    2. Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained for commercial purposes primarily from shark liver oil, though botanic sources (primarily vegetable oils) are used as well, including amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives. All higher organisms produce squalene, including humans. It is a hydrocarbon and a triterpene. Squalene is a natural and vital part of the synthesis of cholesterol, steroid hormones, and vitamin D in the human body.[1] Squalene is used in cosmetics, and more recently as an immunologic adjuvant in vaccines.
     
     
    Thimerosal in Canadian Vaccines
     
    Thimerosal is an organic mercury compound that is an effective preservative. It is used in some vaccines and in pharmaceutical and other consumer products, such as cosmetics. First introduced in the 1930s, it prevents bacterial and fungal contamination of these products. It may be used during the manufacture of vaccine to inactivate organisms or added as a preservative to prevent contamination of the product after manufacture, particularly in multi-dose vials.
    Thimerosal is metabolized to ethylmercury (CH3CH2Hg+2) and thiosalicylate. It contains 49.6% mercury by weight. In the final preparation of vaccines, the concentration of thimerosal is small, measured in micrograms (µg), one millionth of a gram. When a person is immunized with a vaccine that contains thimerosal, the resultant concentration of metabolized ethylmercury is reduced even further as it is diluted in the body.
     
    The detrimental health effects of high-dose exposure to mercury have been well studied. In addition, acute accidental poisoning episodes with very high doses of thimerosal and improperly prepared medicines containing thimerosal have been documented. However, the amount of thimerosal in vaccines is small, and no studies have documented any associated adverse effects beyond the hypersensitivity reactions noted in the next section.
     
    Immediate hypersensitivity, including anaphylaxis and immune-complex-mediated disorders, has been reported with some products that contain thimerosal, but it is uncertain whether thimerosal was the responsible agent. Anaphylaxis has not been proven to occur as a result of thimerosal in vaccines and thus remains a theoretical risk.
    If an individual is suspected of being hypersensitive to thimerosal, the nature of the hypersensitivity reaction must be characterized before a vaccine containing thimerosal is administered. If there is no proven history of hypersensitivity, vaccination can proceed without particular precaution. If there is a definite history of anaphylaxis to thimerosal, vaccines containing this component should not be given. Although such reactions have never been reported, prior history of erythema multiforme, Stevens-Johnson syndrome or toxic epidermal necrolysis from thimerosal exposure would be an absolute contraindication to future exposure. In cases of proven delayed hypersensitivity to thimerosal, vaccination can proceed but the patient should be advised that long-lasting local or systemic cutaneous reactions can occur.
     

    Thimerosal Content of Vaccines Used in Canada

    Vaccines approved for use in Canada may contain the following:
    • no thimerosal: these are single-dose preparations in which thimerosal has not been used in any part of the manufacturing process;
    • trace amounts of thimerosal (< 1.0 µg/dose) if the preservative has been used in the production process but not added to serve a preservative function in the final product;
    • thimerosal added as a preservative. Such vaccines are typically those supplied in multi-dose vials with thimerosal added in varying concentrations to prevent contamination with other serious infectious agents. The amount of mercury per dose varies from 2 to 50 µg per 0.5 mL dose.
    Table 1 identifies vaccines currently approved for use in Canada in terms of thimerosal content. Most of the listed vaccines containing thimerosal as a preservative are not widely used, either because they have been replaced by newer vaccines or have very specialized use (e.g. DT adsorbed). Some, such as influenza vaccines, are used in provincial/territorial immunization programs. A more detailed table of vaccine contents is published in the 2006 Canadian Immunization Guide(8), and updates will be posted, as appropriate, at <www.naci.gc.ca>. These would include any changes to the preservative content of vaccines listed in Table 1 as well as changes in vaccines approved for use in Canada after this statement has been published.

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    Table 1. Thimerosal content of vaccines marketed in Canada as of May 1, 2007*

    Preservative amounts
    (2 to 50 ug/dose)

    Trace amounts
    (< 1 ug/dose of vaccine)
    None
    • Epaxal
    • Fluviral
    • JE-VAX
    • Menomune A/C/Y/W-135 (multidose vial)
    • Recombivax HB (multidose vial)
    • Tetanus toxoid (adsorbed)
    • Vaxigrip (multidose vial)
    • Engerix B (multidose)
    • Infanrix-hexa
    • Twinrix
    • Twinrix Junior
    • Actacel
    • Adacel
    • Avaxim
    • Avaxim = pediatric
    • BCG
    • Boostrix
    • DT Polio Absorbed
    • Dukoral
    • Engerix B single dose vial
    • Eolarix
    • FSME-IMMUN
    • Gardasil
    • Havrix
    • Hiberix
    • Imovax Polio
    • Imovax Rabies
    • Inactivated Poliomyelitis Vaccine (IPV)
    • Infanrix
    • Infanrix-Hib
    • Infanrix-IPV
    • Infanrix-IPV/Hib
    • Influvac
    • Liquid Pedvax
    • Menactra
    • Meningitec
    • Menjugate
    • Menomune A/C
    • Menomune A/C/Y/W-135 single dose vial
    • MMR II
    • Mutacol
    • Neisvac-C
    • Pediacel
    • Pediarix
    • Pentacel
    • Pneumo 23
    • Pneumovax 23
    • Prevnar
    • Priorix
    • Quadracel
    • RabAvert
    • Recombivax HB single dose vial
    • RotaTeq
    • Td Adsorbed
    • Td Polio Adsorbed
    • Tripacel
    • Typherix
    • Typhim Vi
    • Vaqta
    • Varilrix
    • Varivax III
    • Vaxigrip singledose vial
    • ViVaxim
    • Vivotif
    • Vivotif L
    • YF-VAX
    *A more detailed and, as appropriate, updated table of vaccine contents, including preservatives such as thimerosal, can be found at <www.naci.gc.ca>.

    Squalene-based adjuvants in vaccines

    What is squalene?

    • Squalene is a naturally occurring substance found in plants, animals, and humans. It is manufactured in the liver of every human body and circulates in our bloodstream.
    • Squalene is also found in a variety of foods, cosmetics, over-the-counter medications, and health supplements.
    • Squalene is commercially extracted from fish oil, and in particular shark liver oil. Squalene used in pharmaceutical products and vaccines is purified from this source.

    Is there squalene in vaccines?

    • Since 1997, an influenza vaccine (FLUAD, Chiron) which contains about 10 mg of squalene per dose, has been approved in health agencies in several European countries. Squalene is present in the form of an emulsion and is added to make the vaccine more immunogenic.
    • Squalene is being added to improve the efficacy of several experimental vaccines including pandemic flu and malaria vaccines which are being developed.

    Why is squalene added to vaccines?

    • Squalene is a component of some adjuvants that are added to vaccines to enhance the immune response.
    • MF59, an adjuvant produced by Novartis and added to the FLUAD flu vaccine, is such an example.
    • Squalene by itself is not an adjuvant, but emulsions of squalene with surfactants do enhance the immune response.

    What is known about the safety of squalene in vaccines?

    • Twenty two million doses of Chiron's influenza vaccine (FLUAD) have been administered safely since 1997. This vaccine contains about 10mg of squalene per dose. No severe adverse events have been associated with the vaccine. Some mild local reactogenicity has been observed.
    • Clinical studies on squalene-containing vaccines have been done in infants and neonates without evidence of safety concerns.

    Why do some people think squalene in vaccines carries a risk?

    • A few people have tried to link the health problems of Gulf War veterans to the possible presence of squalene in the vaccines these soldiers received.
    • One published report suggested that some veterans who received anthrax vaccines developed anti-squalene antibodies and these antibodies caused disabilities.
    • It is now known that squalene was not added to the vaccines administered to these veterans, and technical deficiencies in the report suggesting an association have been published.
    More information

    What is the relevance of anti-squalene antibodies and are these linked to squalene in vaccines?

    • Most adults, whether or not they have received vaccines containing squalene, have antibodies against squalene.
      - In one study the incidence of these antibodies appeared to increase with age.
    • In one clinical trial, immunization with the licensed flu vaccine containing squalene did not affect the frequency or titer of anti-squalene antibodies.
      (unpublished data shared with the GACVS by Novartis).
    Reference for first bullet point above
    Matyas G, Rao M, Pittman P, Burge R, Robbins I, Wassef N et al. Detection of antiboides to squalene III. Naturally occurring antibodies to squalene in humans and mice. JIM 286 (2004) 47-67

    Are squalene-containing vaccines safe?

    • Over 22 million doses of squalene-containing flu vaccine have been administered. The absence of significant vaccine-related adverse events following this number of doses suggests that squalene in vaccines has no significant risk. This vaccine has been given primarily to older age groups.
    • As this vaccine and new squalene-containing vaccines are introduced in other age groups, post-marketing follow-up to detect any vaccine-related adverse events will need to be performed.

  • Monday, November 02, 2009 10:52 AM
    Reply # 238810 on 236944
    From Adrienne Sordi (reposted from e-mail sent to all LWAB members:

    I also voted no. My family doctor advised against the vaccine, so did my naturopath. My paediatrician is VERY pro vaccination so I already knew what his answer was going to be.

    My family doctor said not to get it but my son’s paed is for the vaccine. I trust my family doctor more since i have been going to her for 15 years and she has more experience that my son’s paed.
  • Monday, November 02, 2009 10:53 AM
    Reply # 238811 on 236944
    From Adrienne Sordi (reposted from e-mail sent to all LWAB members):

    This is something that parents might want to read re: H1N1 prevention. See attached pdf.

    H1N1 PREVENTION.pdf
  • Monday, November 02, 2009 9:19 PM
    Reply # 239094 on 236944
    I've been reading the Prevention and Treatment recommendations. However, does anyone have tips for protecting babies? Can babies use hand sanitizer?
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