sleep doula

  • Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:10 AM
    Message # 1027772
    Has anyone worked with the sleep doula or a sleep consultant to help your little one sleep better? Was it helpful? Would you recommend the sleep consultant that you worked with?

    My baby is almost 5 months old and for the last few weeks he has been waking up 4 times a night. Eventually I got used to getting up 4 times a night as long as he eats and goes back to sleep, but for the last few days he wakes up and cries the moment I put him back into his crib, and he would cry for an hour at like 3am unless I hold him and rock him, then he cries again when I put him down. I slept with him in my bed last night but he still woke up crying from 4am to 5am. He used to sleep well (not through the night but waking twice to eat) but all of a sudden it all changed at around 4 months. I am exhausted and about to lose it. And I feel like such a bad mother because he is not getting the rest that he needs... :(
  • Friday, August 03, 2012 10:19 PM
    Reply # 1038229 on 1027772
    I know where you are coming from. We had a really difficult time with our son and his sleeping, which was strongly affected by his acid reflux (which was undiagnosed until 3 months old), where he'd wake up every 1-2 hours, all the time. We were also about to 'lose it', from physical and emotional exhaustion, and tried so many different things, including a sleep doula.

    It was a HUGE waste of money. (about $700 for 2 nights of her time at our home, plus another $200 for a swing she recommended to help him sleep, which is actually not good for babies as it is 'motion sleep'... ) She charged a huge amount of money, and taught us techniques that we later realized where actually band-aid solutions to work for now (which also didn't actually work anyway, neither her techniques nor the swing), but were also bad sleeping habits down the road... (and of course she mentioned how she'll be available for 'sleep training' later, to eventually undo the bad sleeping habits we would've been encouraging...) We found it to be a total rip off.

    What did work for us, however, is using 'The Sleep Sense' method to sleep train our son at 4 months old; it is a cry-it-out based method. It was the start of drastic improvement in all our lives, especially our son, as he started to sleep better.

    I can send it to you by email if you're interested; message me here on the board.

    Tatiana
    Last modified: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:24 PM | Tatiana
  • Monday, August 06, 2012 10:20 PM
    Reply # 1040443 on 1027772
    Definitely feel your pain!

    Instead of re-writing everything, take a moment and read my post about the Extinction Method.

    We were on the verge of handing over our credit cards to a sleep therapist, but I felt that I wanted to at least get a couple of different names before settling for one, so we visited our pediatrician.

    Essentially, what he recommended was to save our money (yes, it's very expensive, but if your employer insurance covers Occupational Therapists, then feel free to give it a try), and do the Cry-It-Out method. Not to be mistaken with the Ferber method.

    After one week, we went back to see our pediatrician, we see a difference in our daughter's sleeping, however, she's so headstrong, she's going to take longer than expected (took 6 nights before she decided to sleep, otherwise, she'd been in a massive boycott by sitting upwards, we were about to give up, but we thought we'd give a full one week). Even our pediatrician said that she's by far the toughest, most stubborn he's seen in his over a decade career, and including his colleagues patients.

    So, it's been 12 nights now, she's still crying for a good 30 mins before she "gives up", yes, she's that headstrong! But I think this is been the best decision my husband and I have made, because we notice a difference in her sleeping. She's not perfect, but she's made quite the progress.

    That being said, if you feel that you'd prefer to seek out a sleep therapist, my friend used this lady for their triplets, and they liked her:

    Shannon Mills, BSc., MSc. (OT)
    Registered Occupational Therapist
    Tranquil Home Sleep Consultation
    www.sleepconsultation.ca

    Phone: 1-855-U-2-SLEEP (1-855-827-5337)

    E-mail: info@sleepconsultation.ca

    Please keep up in the loop on what you decide
  • Monday, August 06, 2012 11:37 PM
    Reply # 1040488 on 1027772
    Sandy, that's definitely progress! And she is getting more sleep now, so that's great.

    I just want to mention quickly that the total cry-it-out method (or the 'extinction method') can/should only be tried on 'older' babies (9 months or older, according to our doctors), who can last through the whole night without needing to feed out of hunger. Younger babies do need to nurse, just simply for biological reasons, and so then the 'Ferber'-based method is an option then... the Ferber method will probably be easier on younger babies, whereas 'older' babies (9 months +) - as you found with your wonderfully strong-willed daughter - can resist much longer.
  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:44 AM
    Reply # 1041722 on 1027772
    Thank you so much for your response, ladies.

    I am officially miserable now... We have been co-sleeping for the past few nights but even co-sleeping doesn't seem to work anymore. He went down at 8pm, woke up at 9:30pm and just stayed awake until 11:00pm, then went back to sleep and woke up around 12:45am. He kept nursing and everytime I pulled him off, he kept crying. He nursed on and off until 2am... Then somehow he just kept crying and wouldn't go back to sleep. Finally he is now in the swing and I hope he will get some sleep. :( 

    Tatiana, thank you so much for the email!! I am halfway done the reading and will definitely give the Sleep Sense method a try. The book has convinced me that it is ok to have some crying involved. I didn't want to sleep train him for the longest time because I don't want him to cry, but he is so cranky from not getting enough rest that he cries so much more than he used to anyways. :( 

    Sandy, glad to know that your daughter is sleeping better!! I hope one day I will get to share my success story on teaching my son how to get some sleep. I didn't expect us to have so much sleeping problem and I feel like such a bad mother. :( Also thanks for the information on the therapist. For now we will hold off on the professional help based on what people have told us so far.

    Now my question is - when should we sleep train him? He is 5 months old and gaining weight fine so I think he is ok from that perspective. However, I think he is teething now. Should we wait until the teething is over first? But then again, maybe he is just cranky from being tired, not from teething?! We will be going on vacation in the last week of September for 10 days. Should we wait until we come back?


  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:47 PM
    Reply # 1042146 on 1027772
    The earlier sleep training starts (as of 3 months of age), the easier it will be; I think he's definitely ready to start anytime. Vacations and other 'outside of usual routine' events can interfere with the gains of training, but you can always 're-train'; training is an on-going thing anyway, you're never really done... Teething should not be keeping babies from sleeping, and it's impractical to wait until teething is done, as a) you'll never really know when it's done, and b) there are always new teeth coming...

    From what I hear, your son is more than ready for sleep training, so now it's just for the parents to get ready... good luck!
  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:51 PM
    Reply # 1042147 on 1027772
    Also, you should NOT feel like a 'bad mother' at all. It is natural for us to want to 'comfort' our children when they cry, and breast feeding especially is a natural 'sedative comforter'... (plus there is a lot of pressure from other moms to 'never let a baby cry')... but the truth is that for some babies this soothing comforting breast becomes a cruch in substitution for baby's own ability to self-soothe and self-regulate, and it *can* lead to sleep problems, and possibly some behavioural problems too, later on.
  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:38 PM
    Reply # 1042215 on 1027772
    Thank you so so much - this is the only place where I feel like I am getting support from people who have been through this. I think we will start next Friday.

    My husband thinks I should go out for a few hours on the first night, because I get pretty emotional when I hear my son cry and he thinks I might give up easily. (I tried the shush-pat method before and I took him in bed with me and cried all night myself after he cried from 12am to 2am...) But I don't know if I can stand not being here. What do you think?
  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:25 PM
    Reply # 1042315 on 1027772
    That's really up to you to decide, based on how you know yourself and your husband to be; there are pros and cons to each option (staying or not). Ideally the 'stronger' person should stay... (or if both can stay and take turns.)
  • Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:15 PM
    Reply # 1042381 on 1027772
    You're not a bad mother! Every mom does things a little different than the other. Both Tatiana and I are sharing our sides of the story, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're absolutely the only way to go. You're going to have a lot of people with a lot of opinions, at the end of the day, the choice is ultimately yours. Besides the battle of breast vs bottle, sleeping is a major topic of debate as well. Use your judgment, we're not here to tell you whether your decision is right or wrong, just offering you an option that we think could work for you, as it has worked for us.

    My daughter was close to 9 months when I finally budged and decided to go with sleep training. Prior to this, she started off co-sleeping and by the morning, would end up bed-sharing ...it got to the point where she would only sleep in our bed, with her mouth glued to my breasts. She didn't need the milk, she was just sucking for comfort.

    It's definitely not easy to sleep train, but think about it, if you do it now rather than when your baby's 15 months old, it's much easier now...when you have a toddler, they cry harder, and louder, then you're on a totally different playing field...I have a very tough baby that even after 2 weeks, still screams and cries for at least 30 mins. We're not even attempting the naps training at the moment, under the advice of our pediatrician. Based on the fact that she's so darn difficult, he told us to get her under control with her sleep first. I can't imagine what she'd be like if we decided to sleep train her later...

    If you decide to sleep train, my best suggestion, based on what you're saying, is that you should go out for a few hours and let your husband do the training.

    Anywho, just my two cents :)

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