Going crazy with sleep training

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  • Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:19 AM
    Reply # 288574 on 248925

    Since every child is different and there is no set method that will work for every child, I think it's good to try different sleep training methods. 

    For my baby, we tried CIO method when she was around 8 months and it worked great.  My husband and I tried all of the other methods before we did CIO and we found that for our baby, it was the only way she would fall asleep.  Like Claire said above, my daughter would cry no matter which method we tried. And co-sleeping never worked for us because she wanted to play and not sleep. She's started to sleep through the night again after only a few days of the sleep training.

    My baby also did a bowel movement just before falling asleep and I changed her everytime. Sometimes, she was close to falling alseep but I could not leave her in a dirty diaper over night.

    For us, sleep training seems to be an on going issue.  I wish it would be just one time thing but whenever we hit a milestone with our baby, it seems to interfere with her sleep. 

    Linda, whatever you do, I'm sure you'll do great!  Let me know what worked for you and your baby:)

     

  • Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:06 PM
    Reply # 288850 on 248925
    Linda,

    I have not had my baby yet but I was given the book "Secrets of the The Baby Whisperer" by a friend who had a REALLY tough time with sleep and her (now 6 year old) daughter.  (This is the same book Claire mentioned earlier in the string.)  Since I have been reading it a few more friends have said they loved it as well. 

    Jenni
  • Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:41 PM
    Reply # 331942 on 248925
    Thanks so much for the sleep training book!  We put the program in place (not to get him to sleep through the night but to get longer naps and less crying at bed time) and it was a success!  What used to be 2+ hours of crying at bedtime has been reduced to nil!

    Jenni

    PS  The only thing we did differently was let him cry a little (4 mins) before picking him up, and put his white noise machine very close to the crib to drown out house noise.
  • Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:52 PM
    Reply # 331955 on 248925
    Denise (Administrator)

    I've read a lot of books and tried different things when my daughter was a baby 4 years ago and none of them worked until my friend recommended me the book "Heathy Sleep Habits Happy Child" (see link from amazon) and of course with some tips and helps of my friend who went through a crazy time (no shower, no tooth brushing, not even washed her face and she is the type that she has to put make-up on even when she just needs to step out to dump garbage) with her 1st child.  The trick for my daughter (and my friend's daughters and a few friends we helped) is ROUTINE & an EARLY bedtime. I highly recommend this book from Dr. Marc Weissbluth as it teaches other sleep strategies when kids grow older and start fighting against sleep.  Anyway, my daughter slept well since then.  So to answer the question of when do babies sleep through the night, it properly won't happen until almost 1 year old (with 3 naps) according to Dr. Weissbluth.

     

    http://www.amazon.ca/Healthy-Sleep-Habits-Happy-Child/dp/0345486455/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272393767&sr=1-2

  • Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:00 PM
    Reply # 331999 on 248925
    At 8 months, I thought it was time to get into some sleep training, with much of  the advice I've been hearing around me so I went to the library to pick up a few books.

    Thankfully, the book I picked up was Helping Baby Sleep : The Science and Practice of Gentle Bedtime Parenting by Anni Gethin and Beth Macgregor.  This book SAVED me from making big sleep training mistakes.  The book explains how several of the traditional sleep training methods are actually sending the wrong message and while the child might learn to sleep, they may have also learned that no one is there for them. 

    This book is so much more than just a sleep guide and offers many gentle solutions to changing sleep arrangements/schedules etc while exercising empathy and staying connected to our babies. 

    Every baby is different but this was such a good find for me, my daughter, her needs and the way I'd like to parent,  I want to share it with everyone!

    am
  • Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:35 PM
    Reply # 378815 on 248925

    I can totally relate to your sleep training.  A great book is Happy Baby, Healthy Sleep Habits.  My 2 1/2 year old always required a great deal of "effort" to put to sleep.  It got to the point where we had to lay with her for an hour, sing a bunch of songs, tell her stories....etc...then she would get out of bed 3 or 4 times a night to come sleep with us.  We finally had to do something when we found out our 3rd baby was on the way (baby #2 sleeps like a dream). 

    I completely agree that the cry it out method is no good - for younger babies though.  Your daughter is old enough to know that she more she kicks up a fuss/stays active, the more Mommy comes in to get me.  A great method that worked for us (obviously every baby is different though and this does not work for everyone) was to thoroughly explain the "rules" of bedtime and to have a routine that you DO NOT stray from.  For example, we do bath, 2 story books, a story we make up from our head, then one last song, hugs and kisses and then we left the room.  You can leave the door open and stay close by so that when she gets out of bed, you pick her up and just say "bedtime baby/sweetie/whatever" and that is all.  Don't interact with her or start a conversation or anything and don't go in and check her, let her come out to you.  Yes she cried at first, but that is how she's telling you she doesn't like the change - she is not hurt or scared or sad.  If she poops, change her diaper quietly in dim light and don't interact with her.  I promise you she'll learn that after the end of the routine is her bedtime.

    Sleep independence is very important and you don't want to be going crazy.  Most importantly though is be consistent, she won't learn if you're trying everything all the time.  GOOD LUCK!!!!

  • Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:20 PM
    Reply # 417152 on 248925
    Anonymous
    I need help too! I love the Secrets of the Baby Whisperer.
    My son is now 12 months.  The routine was going great - sometimes napping in the car and sometimes at home (which is where the problem likely started). A few weeks ago I couldn't put him to nap in bed all of a sudden because he would protest and cry.  I know that he needs  a nap, and if we're in the car he will fall asleep on cue when I know he should. But if I try to put him in his crib, he will cry and protest. I feel like I have to train him again, and I don't know what to do! He won't stop crying.
    He's not afraid of the crib, he doesn't need "awake and play" time in the crib. I've read so many books and feel like I've tried it all. I'm not comfortable letting him cry and cry.  But even if I go in at intervals and tell him it's ok and it's nap time, he doesn't calm down.  I've asked so many people haven't gotten a solution.
    He also still wakes 1-2 times at night, and I can usually get him right back down, sometimes I have to let him cry for 3 minutes and go back in. Sometimes he just won't go back down and will just keep crying.  When he wakes at 5am I don't know if I should be putting him back down, because he'll just cry and cry, so at that time I'll bring him into bed with me and breastfeed him. Sometimes he falls back asleep, sometimes not.  Help!
  • Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:13 AM
    Reply # 419364 on 248925

    Regarding sleep issues, I've been to hell and back. My 18 month old started waking up repeatedly throughout the night, sometimes staying awake for 3 hours!!! I was so sure she suffered from insomnia! We were at our wit's end and didn't know how to stop her from waking up. Of course, we struggled to keep her lying down in her crib, but she would just stand up and cry nonstop until you picked her up. Even by trying to rock her to sleep, as soon as I lay her down back in the crib she'd wake up in 5 minutes. After about 2 monthts of sheer exhaustion and failed "sleep training" I decided to make a bed of pillows on the floor beside her crib and lay down with her. This way at least I could be lying down and not have to carry her around for hours. Suprisingly she fell asleep beside me and didn't wake up for the whole night. We tried this method for 3 days and she continued to sleep through the night on the bed of pillows. At this point I realized that the issue was simply that she didn't like her crib because the mattress was too hard. I needed to test out my hypotheses. So I bought a foam mattress pad and cut it out to fit the mattress size. Now her crib is cozy and soft and she's sleeping through the night! Voila!!! Just a simple adjustment like that saved our sanity and we're all sleeping better.

    Since our daughter is old enough to sleep in any position she wants, having a soft bed is not a suffocation hazard as it may be for younger babies, so just be careful. She doesn't sleep with blankets, and the foam pad is under the bedsheet, so there's no risk of getting tangled.

    Good luck!

  • Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:51 PM
    Reply # 423865 on 248925
    I have been trying the CIO method and it is horrible, my daughter went from waking up once at 4 am or 430 am and sleeping well during the day to waking up 3-4 x per night and napping poorly during the day.

    I am going to try some of the other suggestions above - such as changing to a softer mattress because she does sleep a lot better in my bed and the gentle sleeping book

    thanks for the suggestions
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